Unlike grizzlies, black bears seem to be much less predictable and do not give as many signals huffing, grunting, ears back, etc. Maybe a man purse could hold 2 #s of C4? I love packing iron, but in a 44 mag, 300 grain load minimum for bigger critters. Ill take the capacity of an auto loader in 45 Super, 10mm or Rowland any day. I placed a dollar bill next to the track and took a photo. of course be loaded and kept down loaded with .38 Special ammo (modern). Next post: AFLoader, the Automated Universal Pistol Magazine Loader, Previous post: Waterfowl Artillery: CZ Swamp Magnum, Your email address will not be published. Now that we have hogs in the area, I want to upgrade to either an AR pistol in .50beo, a revolver in 500SW / 454Casull. One California farmer found herself caught up in a conservation dilemma, after a wild mountain lion attacked her ranch and killed her animals. The people who shot the cougar had no way of knowing that the cougar had rabies when they shot it. Just my 2 cents for whats its worth. Good article. Look it up. I have been carrying my 1911 or my Taurus PT-92 for years and know what each round can do as a former US Army medic. @1,3000+ FPS, a 255 gr. With those animals ranging from 30 pounds to 1200 pounds, there is no single optimum caliber/bullet combination. I also recommend if youre down to your last round and the bear is still coming, use the last round on yourself. All of these four-legged animals that have attacked humans are in my state: A .38 caliber revolver naturally makes an ideal companion for fishing, camping, hunting, I rather be over gun then under gun. A doe once got a hoof caught in the top of a cyclone fence, near our property. Scientific Evidence regarding bear spray?.. That being said I would never recommend a .22 for bear protection or hunting. 6+1 capacity, and will group within 3 inches at 25 yds. elk A large-bore firearm, with tons of practice in real-world scenarios, and to hell with insane local laws that prohibit mags > 15 rounds. The capsaicin in the bear spray will act as an irritant and will likely make the animal retreat. A glock 20 (10 mm) has 16 rounds and with the correct ammo is pushing 41 magnum range. A mountain lion was mauling her 5-year-old son in front of her. This article leaves folks thinking their 45 or 9mm or single action is excellent bear medicine the fact is they are just poor at best. All shots were heart lung.The racoon dispatched with a .45 was knocked about 4 inches sideways, crawled about a foot and died, the racoons shot with the 9 mm flinched and continued staggering towards a brushy ditch and escape, I placed a shot between the shoulder blades as I had gotten behind it and advanced from the high bank of the ditch. If you choose bear spray as your only alternative more power to you. A single bite around the throat from a mountain lion can be fatal to prey . He normally carries a .44 Magnum but opted for the 9mm that day. If I find it I will post it. Laying out the reasonable course of events leading up to a legitimate use of force against Bears (or Lion) would make it more difficult to prosecute (IMO for political / ideological reasons) citizens who defend themselves against bear (or lion) attacks. It provides some seemingly good info, but some is just confusing and troublesome. Can you shoot while on your back or while youre being chewed on? Absolutely. First shot went wild as the bear clamped down on his forearm and shook him. The second shot went CLICK. He is a hard-core gun guy and he agrees with me on cartridges, guns and bullets. The .45 Colt has long been my favorite cartridge in the Blackhawk. Go to any gunshop youll find plenty of all those calibers for sale, used with very low round counts, wonder why? Any bear is a big, tough critter and to stop them you will need to penetrate and break stuff like big bones or skulls. Grizzlies make mock charges; black bear do not or thats what the experts say. I was charged and shot the first round at about 15 ft. 2nd followed immediately. Ultimately, some gun is better than no gun, and too much gun that youre unable to get proficient with is a problem. I believe he used a 9mm. He shot it twice point blank with his 9mm and the hog just shook its head and continued to walk around. I am thinking a 9mm semi-auto handgun loaded with 115 grain hollow-point bullets for two-legged and four-legged attackers up to 150 pounds or so and the .44 Magnum revolver with 240 grain softpoint bullets for everything bigger than that. Honestly for a Mountain Lion a human does not have a good chance when it comes down to human w/ knife vs mountain lion, but I do recommend he has a knife in case he would be knocked to the ground or a last resort. These were not accidental sow with cubs, surprised a bear in a dumpster, etc. The animal slain by the man charged on Tuesday was a mountain lion known to wildlife biologists as P-38, a male about 7 years old believed to have sired four litters of cubs, said Karen Wold . NEDERLAND A mountain lion killed after it attacked two dogs in a neighborhood near Nederland on Dec. 27 had no dog remains in its gut when it died, according to a Colorado Parks and Wildlife necropsy report. you rig will protect you. I carry my Ruger SP101 357 on me always, and when camping, I have my 45-70 close by. Mountain lions can kill adult humans along with large mammals. God Bless old Friend. This was a glaring example of surprise; this area, while remote, rugged and wooded, wasnt known for its bear population, very few had ever been seen there, but that one bear had my employees undivided attention. Back in I asked if he was afraid of the Bears. The cougar chased Kyle Burgess, 26 . They did better than most 9mm and only slightly less than a 357. Practice with light loads and carry it with one of Pearces 22k psi heavy loads. If doing this with very heavy bullets a change in rifleing twist may be more suitable if longer ranges are expected. It can push a 400-grain bullet to more than 1,500 fps, but I cant control it. The first was many years ago when I was in Alaska. Personally, Ive only seen a grizzly bear from the comfortable confines of a vehicle, but that boar in Yellowstone Park made a lasting impression. Eventually, Ill get around to getting a .460 Rowland kit and chest holster for my 1911 and start taking that instead. having confidence in your weapon. Id never seen tracks that huge. Personally, I'd feel the best with a .44 mag, .45LC, or 45-70 in a Marlin carbine. Moutain Lions arent bear-zombie-meat-tanks. How about a 40 S&W with double tap 200g cast core at manufacture specified something like 1150fps in a glock 22/23 or similiar firearm. Mountain lion facts. Im not a hunter, but a hiker. A Utah friend of mine called to ask about using a .38 Special with a 4" barrel as a trail gun and a defensive gun in the mountains of his home state. Good stuff. I carry either my Ruger Alasken 44 mag, or my Ruger GP 100 in 44 Special with custom loaded 255 gr. 7.62 mm (.32 cal) out of a necked-down 9mm case. We see bears here and there I have never had to shoot one however I carry my Freedom Arms 454 Casull 7 1/2 Barrel. That being said i would still rather has a single action 44 mag or 45 colt than a 9mm for bear defenseanyday! Or even for butchering livestock. why dont you buy a BB gun for backup. Im still alive without a scratch. Both holsters always pack into camp with me. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. My 10mm load is right at 700. Light to carry, manageable recoil, do a quick reload of 125jhp and your good for CCW. Dating back to 1873, the .45 Colt will provide very impressive terminal ballistics when loaded in a strong, modern handgun. BTW the 2nd encounter was by a friend who was carrying that old M572 shots on a wounded grizzly same load did him in. Buffalo bore ammo is available, very hard hitting and lethal. If used in a custom 5 shot 45 colt with bullets and a cyl. so why risk it. I would also explore all the different kinds ammo available that would be the best for an attack by a bear. If I had not shot the hog with a .44 Magnum I think it would have ended very badly. 07-11-2013, 08:10 AM. Well there is some in one instance provided no less by the original fellow who created sells Bear Spray Now you find a lot of mumbo jumbo to suggest bear spray is no less effective that a firearms.. then the predictable firearms in parks concerns.. Firearms safety To sum up when you do read the common information .. The lion did not attack further and the boys uncle shot at the cat. Usually blacktail deer. But Garrett makes a round called hammer head. Id have gladly traded it for a snub-nose .38 Special. He very clearly laid out the steps required and when someone should shoot a bear in self defense.. His commentary may still be out there on the web but a quick search did not turn it up.. Of course because political activists have infiltrated Rangers and such.. Shock Wave or the Tac-12 pistols leave a bigger hole ! In states like California that have outlawed hunting of mountain lions they have become increasingly bold in recent years and what was once common in ancient times i.e. Please reply. Most sheep hunts have included bear encounters. I once was a .460 Rowland fan, too, at one time. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This is all interesting to a curious 75 yo ..better for me to stay out of bear country. I agree, a 9mm is not something I would trust. Stay safe in mountain lion country Do not hike, bike or jog alone. Si saw a black bear last year, and got lost running away from it. feral dogs If not, always nice to have to many guns.. After wearing out a few S&W frames in 44mag, I switched to the short barreled Ruger Alaskan in 44mag. If a close attack by a bear happens, I sure wouldnt want a single action revolver. vermin such as raccoon, skunk, possum, etc. What would make a good companion piece [long gun] regardless of sidearm? For self defense/house protection/ 4 barrel, all stainless steel, adjustable sights and under 1.5 pounds. Not like that should be a problem anyways. At 50yds not much will walk away from a hit with that bullet. At least .40 caliber, 300 grains and 1,000 fps. the sidearm nicely supplements the rifle, as a companion piece. Fortunately the latter emptied his 4 Smith and Wesson Model 66 A powerful handgun with a tough, deep penetrating bullet is the key. Let us know via nature@newsweek.com. My advice: If youre standing, attempt to avoid a confrontation; and mentally prepare yourself for the greater likelihood that youll be on your back being chewed on. You show five rounds with your .38, six rounds with your Model 29, but all of your pictures with the Ruger .45 only show FIVE. 2018 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice and link are included. The Creator has a great plan, and I do not really miss the dodo bird or the carrier pigeon. A Sacramento Bee investigation revealed in 2017 that thanks to that language, Californians have killed far more mountain lions since Proposition 117 passed then they did before.. A farmer living in Lower Lake, in Lake County, noticed the dead lambs last week and notified the California Department of Fish and Wildlife. I have been involved in stopping several black bears intent on doing us damage and have stood two brown bear charges without shooting; although in one of them I probably should have pulled the trigger. sure, sure, sure. There are too many stories of people getting mauled by bears that charged right through their attempt to spray it, and they could never get to their gun in time once the bear hit. Although, for me, the closest I want to get to a rattler is a 44 mag snake load, preferably my Judge in .410 7 shot. Very interesting. The 4-3-1 rule is a good rule of thumb, however, I agree with the comments about a 10mm. With the right bullet most large caliber handguns will end the confrontation in your favor if done this way. For what its worth, bear spray is likely to get you killed in my humble opinion. Like I said before , I wish someone would make a 416 Rem Mag. Seeing the bull moose charging froze me. He saw a seasoned Ranger carry the same rigging and said that was good enough for Him. 44 mag is a minimum and it would have to be a DA version. Trained dogs can be used to capture or kill depredating lions. Not only does it take time to shoot, but it's also not enough to stop a cougar from coming at you. While not nearly as large as a puma, Ive shot three rabid racoons around here. 10 mm HAH why not hit the Bear with your Purse? # 3. They respond pretty well to people calibers without the need to go full-on hand cannon. Yes, the first round was the fatal round but it didnt stop the bear. The lion can then be shot and removed, or tranquilized and transplanted at least 300 miles (480 km) away. There is a term for that. More is always better and the bullet is the key. Long story short, Phil was forced to put the grizzly down. .357 magnum will probably work as long as you're not running into any bears .44 magnum is preferable. My new Ruger Super Blackhawk can handle hot + P 45 colt loads. Most glocks can be purchased for about 600 dollars. Personally, I do my best to avoid any encounter that could turn ugly, but thats not always the case. "It is unlawful to kill a mountain lion without a permit for the California Department of Fish and . We killed about 5 hogs every week he shot them with 22 never saw any that didnt fall over dead. It is all filled with a bias against firearms.. As to the power of black bears, I shot a big boar with a 240 grain CVA slug at about 60 yards. I used them for too many years to be so. What we can do is provide a framework to understand what average conditions might look like, and whether those are reasonably viable for a shot from the average shooter to harvest a cougar or mountain lion in the fewest number of shots possible, i.e., ethically. It will drive a 300-grain bullet to over 1,600 fps. What to do? COME AND GET IT! Shot placement . 38 special will kill you just as dead as a . Holy shit! Considering all the crap I have received from all the internet commandos and bear experts for foolishly using only a 9mm I am glad I was not carrying my Tokarev! I carefully googled this story using the locationImpossible to find any story that confirms that what you said id true. Back in the 70s, this form of competition was only for revolvers. What would be the minimum barrel length for any bear spanker? When the smoke cleared the bear knew where I was (on the ground) and headed my way. I . If the mountain lion successfully ambushed a wolf, the fight is immediately over, and the wolf is dead due to a pierced skull or ripped throat. Penetration and shot placement are king. You could see he was definitely sizing [P.J] up, Smith said. Between travel & the country this gun was never more than arms reach away all that time!! I dont care if my hand probably wont wrap around the grip. Its very light and handy to carry. All cats are rats. uh://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_title_1.1, https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/. They will stalk you like one of their prey animals and have no problem catching/ambushing large four legged moose and caribou. Does that mean my woods gun a .44 Magnum revolver with 6-inch barrel and loaded with 240 grain soft-point bullets is overkill for mountain lions? Nine for the bear and the 10th for me if the nine didnt work. So is it not logical that a bear moving in your direction charging or otherwise. I saw one 200 yards from my home while deer hunting several years ago. I have skinned three browns, two grizzlies and more black bears than I care to remember. bird watching, hiking, backpacking, and enjoying nature. That being said, I would carry both. I want POWER ! 8. They want to second guess people. It was the first handgun I ever purchased, and I put a considerable amount of thought into it. Laboratory work several days after the attack would have indicated rabies. First you start off by saying a Judge or Governor is not what you want for bear country, then end by saying you carry a Redhawk in .45 Colt for bear. A grizzly bear is a formidable foe, having no issue whatsoever proving its dominance over human beings. I think anybody going into bear country should read the article about bear defense guns and ammo @ garrettcartridges.com This should answer most questions on the subject. Government paid hunters were also paid to do the same. While being careful not to say Bear Spray is the Cats meow.. (something to do with not wanting to have their pants sued off by someone who follows their articles advice and whose relatives sue? Its light and easy to carry.. ( Watch a Florida panther pass . 3-6 .357 mag with 200g hardcast at 1250fps or more, depending on barrel length. This has way more energy and velocity ahah a standard loading and the judge and governor probably would not safely shoot those loads. Thanks! According to CPW, Colorado is home to between 3,000 and 7,000 mountain lions. The issues penetration. He put his mouth directly on top of his head, and I think if the head had been smaller, hed have been picked up.. wild berries and plums, and of course during hunting season (deer and elk for instance) reviews, Self-Defense, 66% of kills among collared mountain lions were mule deer. Then you could shoot them from a distance and up close and personal, and I dont care if it is heavy, power is knowing your prepared ! Look it up. People started carrying bear spray in that area. For me, Id say whatever you have at the time is better than nothing. A mountain lion has slaughtered 27 lambs on a farm in Northern California but did not eat a single one. While out horseback riding, I cant tell you how many rattlers Ive killed rattlers with my 9mm. Im a pistol guy now, and except for my Ruger Super Red Hawk, I seldom shoot revolvers. Caliber: 357 or better. white-tailed deer For what its worth, my 357 handloads meet the 700 ft-lbs mark too, with a 185gr hardcast doing 1350, though Im not as fast on target with it. That winter, I shot a buffalo @ 50 yards with 300 grain federal cast core in a ruger .44 carbine. The +P shoots a bit higher than the standard 44mag rounds. Nobody sane confronts a bear with a pistol, the 480 is not perfect for the job. Can mountain lions jump? Certain poisons meant to kill rodents, called anti-coagulant rodenticides, end up in the tissues of mountain lions. If I know ahead of time that Im heading into black bear country, I like to carry my big handgun: a Ruger Blackhawk, chambered in .45 Colt, stainless finish with a 7 -inch barrel. They have been most noted in the mountains of California but had, at one time, been found across North and South America. But I enjoy listening to people who think they know everything prove they dont. A 10-year-old boy was killed by a mountain lion while hiking near Grand Lake in 1997, and an adult runner was killed in Idaho Springs in 1991. Bears have a way of sneaking up on you. A .38 snubby? Hell I wish someone would make a wheel gun for the 416 rem mag. News California Dogs Wildlife Pit Bull. Of the pistols that you listed carry the one you shoot best. They are not fun to shoot, not fun to carry. Mountain lions are apex predators with the ability to kill elk, mule deer, and coyotes with ease - but they aren't usually aggressive toward hikers and their dogs. The only real downside is there is not a good rifle to go with the 10 mm. I for one have never been bear hunting, always wanted and dreamed of going some day. Before any bear country hunt I practice with it a lot. I sure wanted to sit and talk to him about all the storys they brought back. When it comes to wheel guns should they be ported? The Southern California man charged with shooting and killing a protected mountain lion this summer has been sentenced to 30 days in jail and was ordered to serve 240 hours of community service in . A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. As most readers are probably aware, a cougar (aka mountain lion) attacked a couple of mountain bikers in California last month [ Outside Online News: January 9 . that will allow the bullets to be seated and crimped .100 further out than factory specs. Yes and no.. If you put a 6.25 inch barrel on the glock 20 it is very capable of stopping most large animals. That long pipe makes for a heavier gun, but Im OK with that because the additional sighting distance and small velocity gain are both appreciated. Thanx! A mountain lion killed some goats about a half mile from us. Their saliva or blood can kill you even after the animal itself is already dead. I would rather lug a 12 gauge or Marlin guide gun in 45/70 for bear protection. 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