Find one that will work with you to meet the necessary requirements, but lying is not an option. With $ 20.00 USD anything is possible down there and then just let the FAA go through hoops to find my one in a million medicals just to disqualify and pull my medicalwhich is fake after allwill give them and me something to do till I can think of some other ways to pass the time with the all mighty FAA. Then, I initiated actions to get tested, never dreaming that FAA would punish me for being conscientious and wanting to be fully alert. Driving While Impaired (DWI) from alcohol, drugs, texting and exhaustion is obviously a serious problem and every driver self certifies, there is no evidence in the National Traffic Safety Data Base, that accidents caused by preexisting health conditions and the medications used for their treatment, is a major problem. This article does not in any way counsel the reader as to how to appropriately respond to questions on the FAA medical application, nor does it give medical advice regarding the accuracy of the readers medical history. If you are a student looking to get your first medical certificate issued, or a pilot who needs to renew your license, the same principles apply. My new AME, (old one finally retired,) is a pilot, as is his wife, the office manager and head nurse. All pilots know that after taking the physical they self-certify before every flight for the next year or two. I have thought about going Sport Pilot but if I am not healthy enough to pass tests for a 3rd class physical I am not healthy enough to fly sport pilot. Many of the requirements for special issuance for example are redundant and simply bureaucratic paper chases. BINGO! On a related note, has anyone used an aeromedical service company to help obtain/renew a medical certificate? The standards are too strict and the FAA bases thier decisions (especially on medication) on generalizaitons instead of listening to the pilots and doctors. To self certify? The FAA gives final denial to only 0.01% of applications. I am a rental pilot as well, and unfortunately, there are no sport rentals available, and they are too expensive to buy. Bottom line, you are better off disclosing to the FAA if you want a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd class medical certificate. Logic dictates that if the medical requirement did not exist, the number of incapacitations would be somewhat higher. Or have a child die and see a counselor of any sort. Pilots lying on the there 1st 2nd and 3rd class medicals happens all the time, and it happens just as much as people going to MEPS for the Military. The system does work though. Why? maybe for some people want or need to lie, I jus cant do that..ur only foolin urself..I wud feel better knowin Im ok,,by bein checked..by doc,least bp anyway..if I dont feel good to drive then I wouldnt feel good to fly either..i know first hand,retired truck driver,been there done that,also their silent killers.pays to be checked by ur own doc..have idea where u stand medically.. get off fried foods n dont smoke is a BIG HELP..when I dont lie I feel better bout it too. Most women get frequent headaches-about once a month, and heaven forbid but we do go to the doctor and get X-rays and tests once or twice a year. One is. Having people squeal on them? I will follow that up with a word of warning. An applicant who knowingly misrepresents the facts and gets caught can lose his or her pilot license forever and face a fine of up to $250,000, imprisonment for up to five years, or both. I am not an AME but am a flying physician with long experience chairing and serving on the EAA Aeromedical Council. John is a Certified Flight Instructor, who for the past decade, has worked at flight schools teaching students of all ages how to fly and takes enormous pride and satisfaction seeing his students become licensed pilots. Not all applicants with OSA are required to have that test. To check the validity of the certificate, email a request to Aviation Data Systems Branch, [emailprotected]. Does anyone know the statistics of how often a dead pilot at a crash is found to have prescribed medications for a condition that has not been reported on the 8500-8? Type 2 diabetes, with oral medication, receiving a special issuance every year, until this last one, when the FAA generously determined my AME could recertify me, annually, for five years. What will actually happen if you are caught lying? After 7 years and three more third class medicals-the FAA medical office suddenly decided I had 30 days to provide all the records from a condition I had 20 years ago, or have my medical suspended. Because of the Medical, no physician is my friend and neither are their nurses because they can enter accurate or inaccurate information into your record either one of which will condemn you. 2. This is done by directly contacting you the pilot. Meanwhile the FAA now sits on thier collective thumbs deciding what to do. G E King, Im a late student and cancer survivor and the FAA takes three months to get my student permit back and it expires in nine months. Mr. Diabetes can still legally fly as a sport pilot. I have patients with heart disease who are able to continue to fly on special issuance. But, sooner or later, most pilots will develop a medical condition that they cannot hide. You just never know, and even a thorough and honest medical will never catch anything. The problem with the medical certification process is that on the one hand the questions are so stringent i.e. They leave that up to you, but just make sure you read their minds so that your interpretation matches theirs that they dont tell you. Risk is a price of freedom. If they say that you have a condition that requires you to be grounded, then fill out an 8500-8 medical form. Age is only a number. If anyone cares to share their thoughts or any advice I would appreciate hearing from you. I am 55. I was not asked or tested for alertness. In addition to providing your name, address, recent doctor appointments and hospitalizations, and details about your medical history, you will also need to acknowledge several warnings. If you ever need to submit medical records to the FAA, they will review everything you give them. Our fact-checkers review each article to ensure that all the information presented is accurate, relevant and up-to-date. For airmen, this, like so many other aspects of aviation, is a judgment call'but one that also gets tangled up in personal ethics. In fact, as I write this, I see over on the corner of my screen a tweet entitled Older pilots are safe pilots. Under the new regulation, when the first class privileges expire after twelve months, the first class medical lapses to a third class medical. Thank you for the post. The 8500-8 of necessity must be brief and it is very difficult to get authorization to change it. Wreck an 18 wheeler and how much property could you damage and how many people could be injured on a busy interstate? Brian, you are right on about AMEs being able to grease the wheels for pilots with the FAA medical people. And maintaining a Commercial Driver License with some illnesses is more difficult than maintaining and FAA Medical Certificate. No problem there both were on the approved list (most are). If your AME does not spot anything on your physical exam, you have a clean driving record and you have never served in the military, chances are that the FAA will not question the information you submit in MedXPress. In everyones childhood years a lot of people are diagnosed with child Asthma so come on people who is the one really lying here YOU ARE. Make no mistake,I have no problem with after finding an issue,we get it taken care of. Too little or false information could park a pilot on the ground'permanently'and lead to fines and jail time if authorities detect a lie or deceit. N They, and AOPA, worked with me to get it corrected. I lost my 2012 medical cert in Istanbul, and make the mistake of sending the FAA form requesting a duplicate. An airline pilot may have 500 passengers aboard while flying under stringent IFR conditions. Usually, that period of time is 60 days. The FAA requires applicants with a diagnosis of epilepsy to be seizure-free for 10 years without medication before being considered for a medical certificate. Good guy, good doc, been at it a long time, Im healthy and got my 3rd class. In the end, it all worked out, but I was frustrated about having to locate records from retired doctors across the country-all because a desk bureaucrat figured they knew more about my health than 3 doctors who had recently examined me with aviation in mind. But, to the uninformed, it has an appearance of diligence. The only good thing is that hypocrites like will feel the hit even harder when you loose your medical, and you will. You had better not try to get on medication to calm you down and thus make you a safer pilot because you will no longer be able to fly. Ultimately, a yes response to 18m. R: Sleep Apnea. Jack, petition the FAA to quit demanding the maintenance of wakefulness test. Trying to fix an accidental lie on my medical. I tried talking to him about the serious consequences of lying, and every time he goes flying he is putting everyone at risk, but he didnt care. Just makes you wonder. I have been asymptomatic for all of those years and I am on no medication. Ok, I read the revised FAA 61.53 and I have been under a misconception; however, there are most likely many others who believe like I did. Most people fall into the trap thinking that one DUI will prevent them from getting their medical, or they fear it will make it difficult to get. You do not have to be Richard Collins or Ernest Gann simply a GA pilot with a story youd share with friends sitting in the hangar. It doesnt seem to exhibit much intelligence to uselessly act excited after the fact instead of before. Its a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. That cost me about six months of flying. Some records reviewer in OKC can not guarantee those in my aircraft a safe journey only I can do that. Have tried the polite calling routine, found they will lie to you, one time the lady told me my SI was approved & mailed 2 days prior, when I finally got it 3 weeks later the post mark date proved they had lied. Comparatively, what I take is barely more than a prescription grade Imodium AD. That question cant be removed from the form easily, so you have the option of clicking the box labelled International or declining to provide and leaving the field blank. Yes the present medical sytem sucks but, its all we have until better management goes to Washington. This is very true if you were to tell them everything that has happened to you in the past medical histories etc. Seek help, get punished? I dont remember the exact incidence of pilot incapacitations that they quote at the AME seminars, but it is extremely low. Withholding a medical certificate by the FAA for long periods of time while (somewhat silly in many instances) paperwork is completed does not help with the proficiency issue. Told the truth, The FAA took my license. As a pilot since 1953, and now a retired vascular surgeon who still flies, I have wondered for years if there is any evidence that pilot physical exams save lives. Flying is no more dangerous than driving when properly trained. My first flightdoctor told me he was very happy about having pilots as clients. The FAA would, if it could, ban all general aviation to create a perfect safety record, and thus avoid any potential criticism from the press and Congress. Experts offer these tips: When he isn't flying, Paul Engstrom writes and edits from Sebastopol, Calif. Do you need to have 20/20 vision to be a pilot? Here is my suggestion: Expand the gross weight of light sport airplanes to something like 1800 pounds. The only way to get information to them is via the USPS, another government agency stuck in the past. If the FAA knew the real medical condition of most pilots, they would loose thier certificates too. They defer anyone with a deferrable problem rather than have the pilot provide the necessary data from the treating physician(s) before submitting the 8500-8. But a private pilot should be able to fly his Cessna on a weekend without the 3rd class physical. FAA gets told one version of the story. Today with the revolution in the medical diagnostic procedures, and early detection system and timely treatment most airline pilots will qualify and pass the medical exam if the questions were not leading ones. Next, instead of the Class 3 Medical Certificate being good for 5 years until age 40 when it decreases to 2 years, make the decrease more gradual. After you complete your MedXPress application, you will need to schedule an FAA flight physical with an Aviation Medical Examiner (AME). Bluskye, the FAA does not have the personnel to handle things quickly.. I say that based on the relative numbers discussed above. One will get a license. there would be no one to fly these jumbo jets. Hey Guys as you know there is nothing private on the internet. MEDICAL CATEGORY 3: This category applies to the issue or revalidation of Student Pilot Permit, Helicopters, Gyroplane, Balloon, Pilot Permit, Gyroplane, Private Pilot Licence Aeroplane, Helicopter Pilot Licence, Flight Instructor Rating, Glider, Ultra-light Aeroplanes. I have been screwing around with Oklahoma City since May 2010 and I still really have not made a very big dent towards my certification. The message the FAA should be sending to pilots in my opinion is Manage your health. From a practical standpoint, it makes the most sense. Holy hell! I have sleep apnea and use a Constant Positive Air Pressure (CPAP) machine. Everyone lies technically. What Dickie did was tell on someone for lying. Because they can longer fly. Where is the limit to government infringement? Lets assume 10%, which is probably a high figure. For pilots with health problems that aren't debilitating but possibly disqualifying, 'fessing up on the application for a third class medical certificate can be a busted-if-you-do, busted-if-you-don't proposition. see you in the cockpit!! How about the person that might have some minor anxiety issues? Why is such a standard not imposed on motorcycle or car owners ? It has little to do with Health. Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical aren't very high. In reality, all pilots (no matter what their license) self-certify their fitness to fly every time they fly. to get it straightened out. Lets analyze how you got to a denial and what can be done to appeal the denial. For Uncle Sam, though, this is anything but a judgment call. Ill continue to go by the book until such time as the rules change, or I wish to no longer fly. (BTW, I am a member of both.) Try walking in my shoes and you will not agree with that statement. What you dont want to do is lie. Of course, as others have posted here NO ONE can truthfully answer no to all the questions because of ever. Furthermore if one has the right against self-incrimination in court testimony, why should one be forced to self-incriminate before a Federal Agency that is extremely bureaucratic, slow to change, and out of touch with reality? I got the picture regarding medical, but am concerned about the section regarding legal history. Returning home, the Civil Aviation Medical Board cleared me for flying. For what do you have special issuance? I have read articles online about pilots who get caught falsifying their medical. About a week before I was suppose to be soloed I went for my medical and was told by my AME that I cant fly because I take adderal. I lost some respect for FAA there. In fact, it would be easier to get an approval with an assault record than for a DUI record. Remove the AME from the loop, and there is no one but the pilot to judge whether the above situation is safe. It is a good thing that there are no sport airplanes to rent in your location. If one does lie this is an example of what could happen facing fines of up to $250,000,and possibly up to 5 years of federal imprisonment,and certificate revocation. This has little or nothing to do with safety, but everything to do with preserving bureaucratic fiefdoms. The real problem was that I also am prescribed anti-diarrhea medication and I take it as needed. or special licenses for either of those vehicles if they are used recreationally (with the exception of a written test for air brake endorsement, if so equipped). Im another one that was originally honest and regrets it. Please type or print legibly and remember to sign and date the request. Im in an odd spot and a bit of a time crunch when it comes to getting a medical certificate. If you have not needed counselling for a year or more (maybe less) and are not taking an antidepressant, get a note from your counsellor and take it with you to the appoint with the AME. Who would you send them to? People, in general, are in better health than they were 20-30 years ago, largely by not smoking, watching their weight, eating less fatty foods, etc. You can mail or fax your request for aircraft records or Request Copies of Aircraft Records online. Hmm cant spell worth a darn mostly dumb fingers will that get me rejected??? It's better to try to resolve a condition first than to risk having your application rejected or delayed for months by the FAA. If thats not a bigger threat to safety, I dont know what is. I would have assumed since this person had been flying for awhile, and flying solo that they would have imposed sanctions such as the ones discussed above. At 60 years of age you do not want to become an airline pilot you just want to be able to go up fly around and come back again. I have been flying for 39 years and professionally since I was 18. I on the other hand can only fly sport and do when I can find a plane to rent. RE: Wiley Post. Crashing airplanes? Even if you can disprove a legitimate history or diagnosis of ADHD (discussed further below), use of a disqualifying medication within 90 days of application will usually lead to a denial. We only use the Im also struggling with depression. Now Ive been unemployed for a couple months and who knows how long before some beaurucrat decides to actually look at my file snd say ok. Ive followed all the steps they dictated,all my tests and results are right on but because they wont simply look and see that Ive followed thrie rules and was honest,Im looking at becoming a burden to the system and living on public assistance until I get my medical back. Here in Italy Superman still dictates. You want to make it more difficult? Im depressed, so their answer is to tell me I cant do anything to fix my problem whilst simultaneously denying me something that significantly helps with my depression: Flying? At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. I did years later and got totally cleared. A 3rd class medical should not be required for a private pilots license. So at least the medical makes we go for a check up. If the FAA ever decides to search to see if he is taking any prescription medications (which they dont do often, but they have the ability to do), they will most likely pull his medical permanently for falsification. I got my license back about 10 years ago. Wish I would have! If you are currently taking any of these medications or other type of stimulant, expect your Aviation Medical Examiner (AME) to defer your application and ultimately for the FAA to deny your application until the medication is discontinued (and potentially for at least 90 days thereafter). Have you EVER been dizzy? Investigating complaints from citizens and co-workers. My 10k already spent, to me was wasted. The AME might be required to defer your Medical Certificate, but you will be 3-4 months ahead by having the AME submit your medical information along with the 8500-8 rather than waiting for the FAA to ask for the information. The application states once hired you must obtain a class 2 medical cert What next, psych eval, cholesterol screen for atherosclerosis, denying smokers because risk of copd exacerbation in unexpected decompression, genetic screening to predict addictive personality or anger tendency? There's also the possibility that the results of a blood or urine test will expose a condition you tried to hide. If your application passes AMCDs scrutiny, the certificate your AME issued will remain valid for a period of time determined by your age and the type of certificate you applied for. According to Pilot Self-Grounding Requirements (CFR 61.53), pilots have the duty to ground themselves and report to the FAA any changes in their medical condition before they are able to fly again. 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Headwind vs. Tailwind Whats the Difference? There shouldnt be different standards. | site designed by. Is being illiterate a bar to being a pilot conquer? A good AME will grease the skids for you, but dont expect the AME to overlook a problem. And on the other hand we have people like the pilot mentioned in J. Mac McClellans article Too Many Risks in the May 2012 issue of Sport Aviation who out right lied about his substance use and abuse. I avoid medical intervention like the plague. Most pilots I know plan to fly for longer than it takes one or two medical certificates to expire. But it doesnt because the public wouldnt tolerate it. Doesnt this seem grossly out of proportion? They have little to do but think up new restrictions, all under the banner of safety. I gave up on my dreams. If I tell the AME about this will I not get my cert that day? @Brian B. Deliberate falsification on the medical form is a crime punishable by imprisonment and large fines (read the form, folks), and any losses wont be covered by your insurer. If they find any issues, they will ask for more information. But here is where the absurdity of this over zealous pursuit of perfect safety is to be seen: No, get a different one. :). I think that I could make a very compelling argument that, in many cases, the FAA medical actually does more harm than good. When the whole 3rd class medical requirement is seen in a larger context, its absurdity can be seen. If you have a disqualifying medical condition, say unexplained loss of consciousness, you cant fly. He started his career working with his father, Leighton Collins, at the original Air Facts magazine. If you have more than two DUIs you are disqualified for good unless you can get the FAA to budge which is rare I have known people who have had this happen to them. I am going to start a letter campaign to ask the people who can make this happen (our elected officials), to get behind it and make it happen quickly. Taint worth messing up folks. But knowing that the FAA has little humor, we all put no. But what happens when the FAA lies. What does NTSB say? I reported hypertension and was required to have an entire cardiac work-up within the past 6 months. It was good news. In our opinion, and even for a moment disregarding the morality of lying and putting yourself, your passengers, and anyone elses safety at risk, it simply isnt worth lying despite the low chances of getting caught. They came within 2 weeks of revoking my medical. How did the terrorists that crashed into the twin towers pass a medical that I failed for COUNSELING??! Youre making a mistaken assumption that its never a safety issue. Before every flight (sometimes several per day) I self qualify myself THAT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY AS PIC!!! Sometimes I think its not necessary for ATC people to have medicals. You are proceeding at your own risk. The next hell will be finding out what conditions they place on that SI. What are the chances you will get caught? How long is a 2nd class medical good for over 40? What you didnt? It does nothing to me other than help prevent the gotta go right NOW urges. Another friend had accompanied me to this testing and he sat across the table from me so that he could see the doctors actions. I know there are very experienced Senior AMEs out there who may have more influence with a phone call to Oklahoma City. Im 64 and working on my PP license. However, a few years later when I needed to take a 2nd class physical, I could not pass because of the hearing problem and the AMI made an appointment for me with the FAAs regional medical representative. This is just as important an issue as the proverbial get homeitis problem so many flyers seem to have. However the CAA would not accept the word of the doctors at the hospital nor my own doctor and insisted I had to follow the procedure. How about an 83 year-old on medication for type II diabetes, depression, and senility taking medication for all 3 problems? My admitting to counselling halted my medical. The other is you tell the FAA about something. Justify their positions by educating and hammering self certification, not for two or five years, but every flight. I agree the sport licensse should include at least up to a 152, super cub and all two seat trainers. Sorry for apparently differing from the crowd on this, but I think people are nuts if they are lying. If I continue to wish to fly.I had better take care of myself by good nutrition and exercise..on the issue of lying no, I would not lie because not only is it stupid it is cause for losing the ticket. If you fear denial, speak to someone that knows what they are talking about, not a blog. Misdiagnosed with epilepsy. Those are hard to fake. In this case, you can cast doubt on the original diagnosis and attempt to avoid further evaluation. Ask those young people who posted personal info online and then got turned down for a job interview because of those posts they placed years ago. dangerous individuals about whom one reads in the news at 10. I truly believe that if we allowed a 3rd class medical on only a drivers license we would be just as safe as we are today; and pilots would be in even better health because they would feel free to see their doctor again. Now I am only minutes away from completing my first flight medical form without any worries! They will also review how your current application compares to the ones you have submitted in the past and your driving record. The FAA will catch the application when it comes across due to the flags. (No misprint.) The FAA medical certification process starts when you fill out an electronic application in MedXPress. However, if you are involved in an accident, incident, or disciplinary action, you can bet that the FAA and the necessary authorities will take the time to investigate, and things you didnt disclose will come out. As one previous poster mentioned, why not let the AME make more of the calls, especially for class 3? If you fly only pilot with family and friends, your Medical certification, whether with the AME/FAA or flight-to-flight, is about them. One way is by lying. You miss the point. We all know that volume of cars on the roads vs. number of planes in the air leads to have to deal with more idiots on the ground. Online posts, including anonymous posts and posts made here on APC, have been used in lawsuits against unions. As a 74 year old pilot, I feel that seeing the Aviation Doc every two years is good for my health. I can understand, in the last 5 years, but most of my things are now 20 years old and I still have to report them-no change. your PIC in the Cockpit might have the most serious medical condition, but will never no it thats why the federal government made the HIPPA law. On the other hand, the FAA medical system is complex, expensive, and difficult to support with data showing lives saved, etc. At medical renewal you give a different date for same previously reported event. For example, what if one is tired or snores. So whatever reason the FAA brings to you such as your depressed or you have ADD, they dont know what the **** theyre talking about. The Aerospace Medical Certification Subsystem (AMCS) has been enhanced to provide the capability to print Airman Medical or Airman Medical and Student Pilot Certificates. Something like 75% of all medicals that arrive in OKC come from outside the USA. If you have vision with only one eye, you can get a Statement of Demonstrated Ability (SODA) by taking a Medical Flight Test. The MedXPress application In order to understand how likely it is the FAA would catch you lying, it is important to understand how they would catch you. I got my ticket after age 50. I fly for a living. If you cannot read the serial number plate on the airplane that just flew by you then you should not be allowed to fly. The FAA issues updates to the AME Guide on a monthly basis. He never lied. I have all kinds of things happen to me and I can not possibly put them all down or even remember them. I forgot to mention that your Idea sounds like a good Idea. The medical only looks at your health at the point in time. Well maybe a little? People are willing to take the risks in exchange for their freedoms. 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